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Jesus' relationship to God

Title: Can Somebody Explain the Trinity? Source here

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1. The Official Teaching:
* The concept of the Trinity is formally articulated in the Athanasian Creed, which is a core part of Christian doctrine. For a deep dive into this explanation, check out the Catholic Answers Encyclopedia.
* If you prefer a visual summary that also addresses common misunderstandings and heresies related to the Trinity, I recommend watching St. Patrick's Bad Analogies.

2. The Church’s Position on the Trinity:
* The Church is clear that the Trinity is neither modalism (the belief that one God merely appears in three different forms) nor tritheism (the belief in three separate gods).
* Instead, the Church asserts that the Trinity represents a middle ground: it’s not three distinct gods, nor is it just one God manifesting in different ways. It’s something uniquely Christian that doesn't fit neatly into either category.

3. How Catholic Prayer Reflects Trinitarian Belief:
* Catholics typically pray to the Father, through the Son, and in the Holy Spirit.
* If the Trinity were truly a single unified spirit in a practical sense, it might seem unnecessary to include these distinct "others" in prayer. The act of involving "others" rather than focusing on a singular "one" spirit raises questions about whether this is pure monotheism.

4. The Doctrine of "Same Essence":
* The Church defends the unity of the Trinity by teaching that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share the "same essence." In this view, whatever qualities or attributes the Father possesses, the Son and Holy Spirit possess as well because the Son is eternally begotten by the Father.
* The logic here is that if two (or three) beings share all the same properties, they are not distinct beings but one. However, this analogy breaks down when you consider something like cloning: if you clone a football player and connect their minds, you don’t get one football player—you get two connected beings. This challenges the idea that sharing the same essence makes them one entity.

5. A Possible Evolution of Belief:
* You could argue that the current understanding of the Trinity evolved over time. Initially, Jesus might not have been seen as God by early Christians. However, as devotion to Jesus grew, his divine status was elevated. When the Catholic Church solidified its doctrines, it merged the worship of Jesus with that of God the Father, while still maintaining their distinct identities.
* This doctrinal development allowed for a form of worship that, while not overtly polytheistic, accommodated the reverence of multiple figures. The result is a belief system that doesn’t fully satisfy polytheists or monotheists—leaving both groups with something that feels incomplete.

6. The Role of Names in Prayer:
* Consider the act of praying to the Father through the Son: why involve two names instead of one? In true monotheism, the focus would be on one name, one being. Adding another name could suggest that there is more than one divine entity at work.
* This is why some might see Catholic practices—like invoking all three names (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in prayer—as potentially misleading, especially to those unfamiliar with Christian theology. It could easily lead someone to conclude that Catholics worship three gods, not one.

7. The Problem of Relationships Within the Trinity:
* The Church teaches that the Father and the Son have an eternal relationship. But if the Father and the Son are truly distinct enough to have a relationship, that implies two separate consciousnesses or spirits, which challenges the idea of a single, unified God.
* A relationship typically involves two distinct entities. Therefore, if the Father and the Son are two distinct spirits, then by definition, they are two gods, not one. This raises significant questions about how the Trinity can be reconciled with the concept of true monotheism.

8. Early Church Fathers and Polytheism:
* If you examine the writings of some early Church Fathers, their descriptions of the Trinity often seem more openly polytheistic than what the Church teaches today. They argue that the "oneness" of God refers to the shared divine nature rather than to the persons themselves. But this reasoning can seem far-fetched. By that logic, God could consist of a billion persons, and we would still be expected to call it monotheism. This approach starts to resemble Mormonism, which teaches that there are countless gods, with the God the Father being just one among many. For more on what the early Church Fathers believed about the Trinity, you can read this article on The Trinity from Catholic Answers.

Summary:
The doctrine of the Trinity is a complex and unique concept in Christian theology. While the Church insists it is neither modalism nor tritheism, many find it challenging to reconcile the idea of three distinct persons with the concept of one God. The practice of praying to the Father, through the Son, and in the Holy Spirit complicates the picture, leading some to question whether the Trinity truly represents pure monotheism. Over time, this doctrine may have developed as a way to incorporate the growing worship of Jesus into a monotheistic framework, but it leaves open many questions about the nature of God and the meaning of monotheism.


Question: Same question, but an argument for the Trinity instead of against it

The Trinity can be a challenging concept to grasp, but I'll break it down as simply as possible.

1. Understanding the Trinity:
* The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost are three ways of describing one God. They help us understand how an infinite and beyond-comprehension God can be perceived in different ways.
* These are not three separate beings like a father, a son, and a ghost. Instead, they are symbolic ways of explaining how God reveals Himself to us.

2. Comparison to the Eucharist:
* Think of it like the Eucharist (the bread and wine used in Christian practice). Some view it as a symbol of God’s presence, while others see it as literally God’s body and blood. The Trinity uses different terms to help explain God’s nature, much like how the Eucharist can be seen in different ways.

3. Attributes of God:
* Imagine Jesus and the Holy Spirit as two special attributes of God: His Word (Jesus) and His Spirit. These attributes are fully God but are also distinct from each other and from God Himself. They act like three "little gods," but are really just expressions of God's nature.

4. God’s Indivisibility:
* Even though we speak of these attributes as distinct, they are never truly separate from God. They are always part of God and work together as one.

5. Complexity of Jesus:
* Jesus is unique because He is both fully God and fully human. This can be complex because He is not just one or the other but a combination of both. The term "Christ" is used to describe this special union of divine and human.

6. Summary:
* God’s Word (Jesus) and Spirit are essential parts of who God is, similar to how our voice and spirit are parts of us. Unlike our voice and spirit, God’s Word and Spirit are personified—they have distinct roles and can interact with each other and with God Himself, but they are still fully God. The term "Christ" highlights this unique combination of divine and human in Jesus, showing how God planned to be present in the world through this union.

For further exploration, you might find this video helpful: How God is Both One and Three at the Same Time [Animated Explainer]



 
 
 
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